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Is neural fictitious self play violating off-policy theorem

I was reading the NFSP player from D. Silver, and I'm somewhat confused by the algorithm: In particular, given that we sample an action according to best response ($\sigma = \epsilon-\text{greedy}(Q)$...
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Reproducing AlphaZero/MuZero: Failed to beat initial model in arena

I am trying to reproduce AlphaZero's algorithm on the board game Carcassonne. Since I want to use the final game score differences (i.e. victory point of player 1 - victory point of player 2) as the ...
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Are there assumptions made about Self-Play that don't hold up in regular MA competition?

I read about this paper Efficient Competitive Self-Play Policy Optimization which proposes an algorithm for training a population of agents with self-play using a perturbation based matchmaking ...
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Are multi agent or self-play environments always automatically POMDPs?

As part of my thesis, I'm working on a zero sum game with RL to train an agent. The game is a real-time game, a derivation of pong, one could imagine playing pong with both sides being foosball rods. ...
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How to fight with unstability in self play?

I'm working on a neural network that plays some board games like reversi or tic-tac-toe (zero-sum games, two players). I'm trying to have one network topology for all the games - I specifically don't ...
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How does MuZero learn to play well for both sides of a two-player game?

I'm coding my own version of MuZero. However, I don't understand how it supposed to learn to play well for both players in a two-player game. Take Go for example. If I use a single MCTS to generate an ...
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What does self-play in reinforcement learning lead to?

Suppose, instead of playing against a random opponent, the reinforcement learning algorithm described above played against itself, with both sides learning. What do you think would happen in this case?...
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Generalising performance of Q-learning agent through self-play in a two-player game (MCTS?)

I'm using Q-learning (off-policy TD-control as specified in Sutton's book on pg 131) to train an agent to play connect four. My goal is to create a strong player (superhuman performance?) purely by ...
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How to correctly implement self-play with DQN?

I have an environment where an agent faces an equal opponent, and while I've achieved OK performance implementing DQN and treating the opponent as a part of the environment, I think performance would ...
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How exactly does self-play work, and how does it relate to MCTS?

I am working towards using RL to create an AI for a two-player, hidden-information, a turn-based board game. I have just finished David Silver's RL course and Denny Britz's coding exercises, and so am ...
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In AlphaZero, which policy is saved in the dataset, and how is the move chosen?

I've been doing some research on the principles behind AlphaZero. Especially this cheat sheet (1) and this implementation (2) (in Connect 4) were very useful. Yet, I still have two important questions:...
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How to deal with nonstationary rewards in asymmetric self-play reinforcement learning?

Suppose we're training two agents to play an asymmetric game from scratch using self play (like Zerg vs. Protoss in Starcraft). During training one of the agents can become stronger (discover a good ...
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Given these two reward functions, what can we say about the optimal Q-values, in self-play tic-tac-toe?

This corresponds to Exercise 1.1 of Sutton & Barto's book (2nd edition), and a discussion followed from this answer. Consider the following two reward functions Win = +1, Draw = 0, Loss = -1 Win =...
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How can I oppose two AI agents with keras / tensoflow?

I am trying to use tensorflow / keras to play a text based game. The game opposes two players that play by answering questions by choosing an answer among the proposed ones. Game resembles this: ...
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Why does self-playing tic-tac-toe not become perfect?

I trained a DQN that learns tic-tac-toe by playing against itself with a reward of -1/0/+1 for a loss/draw/win. Every 500 episodes, I test the progress by letting it play some episodes (also 500) ...
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How can both agents know the terminal reward in self-play reinforcement learning?

There seems to be a major difference in how the terminal reward is received/handled in self-play RL vs "normal" RL, which confuses me. I implemented TicTacToe the normal way, where a single ...
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